Mayor: "Thank you, Steve. There probably will be some comments on that later I would think so we’ll hold any comments about that right at this moment…."

Ms. Duggins: "Mr. Simmons is here and he could address that very, very well whenever you’re ready."

Mayor: "Okay. Glenn Simmons will be speaking shortly and I’m sure he will go into a great depth of detail. We learned a lot last week concerning land use. We got an eye-opening in some of what other towns are doing and how they’re doing it. They’re doing it from a perspective of what do you want your town to look like. It’s a cross-section of input from everybody that lives in the town, actually. It’s not just four or five people, or six people, it’s a cross-section of what do you want your town to look like. Do you want it to be full of rail cars? Do you want it to be full of automobiles or do you want it to be full of walking tracks? You know, that’s up to you. It’s our town and we’re the ones that live in this town and we’ll be the ones to design it. So later on we’ll get into some of that and I’m sure Mr. Simmons will maybe touch on some of that possibly when we’re looking at the zoning cases tonight. Did any other councilmember want to say anything?"

Mr. Warner: "On that, let me just comment that most of us might have read in the paper where Kernersville is in the process of updating their 2020 plan. They have five committees working on that – a total of 25 people. This is some two weeks ago in the paper. I think that alludes to just what you’re saying and what we have in a memorandum here that the number is important to have enough to be sure that we cover the entire area – just not municipal Walkertown, but we’re talking about the immediate community thereabout. So then as far as the selection of this committee, I think the numbers will help. And I realize

you can get a committee too big and I think our memorandum here says the optimum size is between 9 to 15 but the main thing is to have representation and I think as our mayor has said, we must have the representation of all people to have a long-range future plan."

Mayor: "One thing I failed to mention, although it wasn’t close, we would ask you to limit your comments to three minutes on the Public Session.

Ms. Duggins: "Could I speak to the traffic problem, speeding and such? That’s a problem everywhere but since we don’t have a local police force, you’ll have to address the county sheriff’s department and when you see anyone doing it, get down the license number. Call the sheriff’s department and ask them to come out and be visible."

Mr. Lineberry: "Not being facetious, but they come by so fast….I was really addressing the fact that we need some speed limits to let people be aware of how fast they’re going."

Ms. Duggins: "You don’t have any speed signs in your neighborhood?"

Ms. Welch: "No, they don’t."

Mr. Larrimore: "On one street, we put speed bumps and that lasted about a month and they came back and wanted those speed bumps took up because they were having to go over them themselves."

Ms. Duggins: "It is legal to have speed bumps and speed humps. One is different than the other; one is a little bit higher than the other, and a little wider. You have to slow down. That’s what they’re there for. And that also addresses everybody in the neighborhood or comes in the neighborhood.

Mr. Linville: "The recycling is, I’m waiting for some direction by the council. We still need to know what we want to do first so we’re working on that. And I have not talked with the builder and he has not gotten back with me in three weeks. He’s got to get back with us so…."

Mayor: "Toby has looked at several different options with only getting prices from ___ of them. He has looked at two or three different options – not just the central. He’s looked at a central, he’s looked at a Waste Industries – and that, by the way, is the company that’s doing our garbage now, not Waste Management – Waste Industries. And he’s also looking at two others at the present – not taking bids, looking at possibilities. There’s some people in surrounding towns that does not use Waste Industries or Waste Management so it could be…… We’re looking at to see what’s feasible from a 2-week standpoint, a 1-week standpoint a month, or 2-weeks a month, or possibly every week is too much. Maybe we can, what we’re looking at is some options of twice a month, don’t think it’s going to be feasible, everybody’s pretty much ruled us out on once a month house pickup. So I know everybody’s anxious to see it happen yesterday but it takes a little time…. Do you want to add anything to that, Toby? Is that pretty much everything that’s been done so far?"

Mr. Linville: "No."

Mr. Warner: "Do we have a specification sheet as submitted to all those who could perform that service for us? Wouldn’t that be what we want to write?"

Mr. Linville: "We’re not to the point where we can bid yet. We need to know what we’re asking for first. Do we want to do 2-weeks, 1-week?"

Mr. Warner: "I think it’s been said this, that we could do 1-week or either bi-monthly, or something like that and then, of course, go ahead and get bids from all who perform that service in this area. Wouldn’t that be the appropriate way to go?"

Mayor: "Do you have anything to add to that, Ms. Welch?"

Ms. Welch: "Well, I know that Waste Industries gave it to us bi-weekly, curbside, drop-off, and once a week. So that’s the only one we have so far."

Mayor: "The only price we have, that’s correct."

Ms. Welch: "Now, 1-week is $3.40 per home, 2-weeks (which is bi-weekly) is $2.50 per home – and that’s an 18-gallon recycling bin, twice a month. And option 3 is a drop-off center and I’m not going to speak to that much because I don’t think that’s a good point. Although he gave us a figure, roll-off container rental would be $50.00 a month and hauls to FCR would be $145 each. Then he also gives down here the sources – if you are interested in once a week cardboard service, that would be $100 a month. And I do know, since I go to Kernersville, they’re checking on where you come from because they’ve asked by zip code. I don’t know whether they’re going to stop us or not but I do know that they’re checking to see who’s bringing stuff over. No problem – they’ve never said anything, just asked for my zip code."

Mr. Linville: "Well, if we’re ready to proceed at looking at curbside, once a week or every two weeks, then I’ll go ahead and submit bids."

Mr. Warner: "Like they’ve given us a lot of bids, process here, I think that would be…….."

Mr. Linville: "………..Do we still want to consider a convenience site?……….."

Mr. Warner: "………..Does anyone recall what we were paying when the service was discontinued? Substantially less than this….."

Mayor: "…..I don’t think you need to discuss that out in the public.. These numbers are going to be pretty discouraging……….."

Mr. Warner: "……Reason I asked that question, it was stated at that time that we were paying approximately $38,000 a year, that we couldn’t afford it. We don’t have any different source of revenue today….."

Mayor: "Yeah, but what I’m saying is that I don’t think you need to discuss the bids before you get the bids. I mean, we’re discussing numbers and…………."

Mr. Warner: "……I’m not discussing anything. I’m just asking what we were paying per household…….."

Ms. Duggins: "…….We’re discussing what we’re going to do, whether we’re going to do it once a week or ………….."

Ms. Welch: "…………Or two weeks……."

Mr. Warner: "…………Back to my question, does anybody know what we were paying for weekly service before, when we stopped? I don’t."

Mr. Linville: "It was around $2.00 a month."

Lynn: "I think it was about $2.09 per household based on a little over 1500 houses."

Mr. Warner: "And at that time, it was stated that we were being charged more than another municipality and ---- forget it!"

Mr. Linville: "So the question was, do we not want to consider a convenience site, or do we?"

Mr. Warner: "What you’re saying is we’re going from $2.00 to $3.50? That concerns me, on this first bid. That’s a lot of money."

Ms. Duggins: "That’s only the one company."

Ms. Welch: "That’s just one company."

Mr. Warner: "That’s what I say, that’s the one bid there."

Mayor: "Do ya’ll w0ant to authorize Mr. Linville to go ahead and get some other bids for 1-week, 2-weeks a month?"

Mr. Warner: "Yes. Yes. Yes. Write the specifications so everybody is bidding on the same thing!"

Mr. Linville: "Do we want to look at convenience sites?"

Ms. Duggins: "Yes. Yes. I want to have that to compare. I want that for comparison. As to how much it’s going to cost if we had a site versus pick-up."

Mr. Linville: "Get those same four bids? Okay."

Mayor: "Those two that you were working on and any others that you think would be reliable."

Public Session was closed at 7:22 p.m.

Glenn Simmons: "I’m the principal planner with the City-County Planning Staff. As you all are aware, we work under contract to the Town of Walkertown to provide you with zoning recommendations and, basically, staff support as it relates to zoning matters. This item before you tonight really is a technical conversion, really. You have a number of properties that were annexed into the Town of Walkertown and technically, once you take these locations into your town, there’s about a 60-day period of time in which case there has to be a transfer of zoning from the County zoning jurisdiction to the Town of Walkertown zoning jurisdiction. And what we’re talking about in this instance, is a simple conversion from county to Walkertown zoning. And because we have a Unified Development Ordinance for Forsyth County, Winston-Salem, Walkertown, Lewisville, Clemmons, Kernersville, etc., the zoning designations really are fundamentally the same between different jurisdictions. So when change occurs from the county to Walkertown and a conversion occurs, let’s say, from Residential-Single Family 9,000 square foot lot size to Walkertown comparable zoning classification, there fundamentally is no change in the use of the property or the development standards that go along with that. So this really is a technical change. It was recommended approval by the planning staff and went to your planning board; had a unanimous recommendation for approval on that basis. It’s been duly advertised for that change. I really don’t have a whole lot more to add to that unless you all have questions. It really is truly a technical change with no change of use or development privileges."

Mayor: "Does anyone have any questions concerning this jurisdiction change from the county of Forsyth to the Town of Walkertown on these properties?"

FROM THE AUDIENCE: Charles McDaniel: "Mr. Mayor, may I make a comment? I have not understood one word that gentleman has said! You’ve got a P.A. system up there and we’re not getting the benefit of it."

Mayor: "This particular vote will be changing the jurisdiction from Forsyth County to Walkertown. It’s a zoning jurisdiction on these properties listed under Annexation #5. Toby, will you read those names so everyone will be aware? First of all, we’re going to change the jurisdiction from Forsyth County to Walkertown and in just a moment we’re going to be dealing with another phase of the zoning, which we’ll be discussing on voting on the zoning change, on the site plan change, and the SIDA allocation for the land use."

Mayor: "Okay. That includes all the properties that are changing the jurisdiction from Forsyth County to the Town of Walkertown. Is that correct, Mr. Simmons? I stated that correctly, didn’t I?"

Mr. Simmons: "Yes."

Mr. Garland: "Mayor? You still need to have a Public Hearing."

Public Hearing was opened at 7:27 p.m.

Mr. Garland: "Oh. I’m sorry. There is a Board……….we do have a Board of Adjustment, don’t we, or not?"

Mayor: "We’re using Forsyth County’s right now."

Mr. Garland: "I mean, the Board of Adjustment is different. If someone were to come in and --- but it’s sort of an apple and an orange! All of the rezoning decisions will be made, will have a recommendation from the planning board and will have a final vote by this council. If someone then does something on their property that they think complies with the zoning but that someone else doesn’t. One of the inspectors comes out and finds something and there’s a challenge and that person wants to appeal that challenge, there would be no appeal to anybody in Walkertown right now. That appeal would be to the Board of Adjustment downtown but that’s the only time there would be a decision outside of the Town of Walkertown and again, there’s no appeal from that Board of Adjustment to anyone but a court as well. So it’s not as if that Board of Adjustment decision would be appealed to the county."

Mr. Simmons: "We have two Boards of Adjustments, the County Board of Adjustment and the City of Winston-Salem Adjustment. I presume you must be talking about the County.

Mr. Garland: "Must be the County."

Mayor: "County Board of Adjustment, that’s correct."

Mr. Warner: "Now, as I understood it, any adjustment, that is, within the property already zoned, would be handled by the Forsyth County Board of Adjustment."

Mr. Garland: "And, again, that is true – except the next case that’s coming up, for example, is a two-phase zoning case. And what they get approved at the first phase is the change in use, but they haven’t planned where the buildings are going to go, or things like that. That type of change will come back through your planning board. The only thing a Board of Adjustment takes care of are someone asking for an exception to the rules because of some reason that they can’t develop their property without that exception; or a debate over whether or not it’s really the proper use of their property when the inspections people have said it’s not a proper use of their property. So I didn’t want you to be misled in the sense that there are two-phase zoning situations where there would be another action on the same property taken by ya’ll."

Mr. Warner: "Would an example of my questions be, that if a person wants to put an oversize building on their lot, they would have to go get approval from Forsyth Board of Adjustments, is that right? And Walkertown would not have………"

Mr. Garland: "If the use was permitted, that’s correct. If the use was permitted, and they wanted to do it oversize, they would have to go to the Board of Adjustment, show the Board of Adjustment why they have the right to be able to do that and that’s pretty tough."

Mr. Warner: "That would be subject to Public Hearing and all under that jurisdiction, right."

Mr. Garland: "That’s right – but it would be the Board of Adjustment and the way people think of that is that Board of Adjustment acts a little bit like a court. They’re supposed to find evidence and then say that when they find that evidence, the conditions they had meet that evidence and so you’re permitted to do what you want to do. And, ya’ll, when you make zoning decisions, are not like a court. You’re making a judgment and using your best judgment as to what’s best for the town – not whether or not certain criteria are met. In the SIDA, you do a little bit but for the most part you’re all making political judgments here as opposed to judicial judgments."

Mr. Warner: "Do I understand this, a set of requirements that they must meet at the Board of Adjustments and once those requirements are met, unless there’s objection, it’s automatically approved, is that correct?"

Public Hearing is closed at 7:35 p.m.

Glenn Simmons: "This is a rezoning request from Glenwood Walkertown Company, LLC, to go from existing RS-20 (that stands for Residential, Single-Family, 20,000 Square Foot minimum lot size) to a proposed commercial zoning classification of HB-S (that stands for Highway Business-Special Use District Zoning). As stated earlier by Mr. Garland, this is a two-phase Special Use District Zoning request. This request is to allow for a number of commercial retail office, service-type uses that currently are not allowed in the current residential zoning district. The proposal, as I mentioned, is two-phase. What that means is according to our development ordinances, the petitioner has come in with a tract of land that consists of 7.76 acres that he wishes to rezone to Highway Business-Special Use zoning. What that means is that there is a site plan that shows the location of the property, shows the driveway access connections – one of which comes off of Old Hollow Road. This property is located on the south side of Old Hollow Road, east of Reidsville Road, and it’s contiguous to other property that’s already been approved for a shopping center and mixture of uses, which include office and residential multi-family type uses. The two-phase component means that if the zoning were approved, then the zoning is changed to Highway Business. It will allow a long list of various types of commercial, office and service uses. But, in the locations for access, the boundaries for the property, the envelopes for development have been described. But the final site plan has not been approved yet. The purpose of two-phase zoning is to get the zoning in place first so that then the developer can go out and look to find tenants, or folks who might wish to locate on the property. Usually most people want to know that the zoning is in place first before they have an interest in wanting to locate to the property. So what the Glenwood Company is doing in this request in the first phase is requesting that the zoning be changed to Highway Business zoning. They have specified the location for the various places where buildings would be built. They’ve defined their access points; they’ve had discussions with the Department of Transportation; they’ve had discussions with the Inspections Department. There is a consideration of the fact that this property exists within the Salem Lake Watershed that ordinarily it is limited to a maximum of 24% impervious coverage. Impervious coverage means that there can be a maximum of 24% of pavement, rooftops, sidewalks – anything that does not allow the water to percolate into the ground. The purpose of that is because the Salem Lake Watershed water quality is of significant importance. But what is being proposed here, in this request, in addition to the zoning change, is to allow up to 65% impervious coverage. And that’s available at the discretion of this council to allow a certain amount of area in the town of Walkertown to have up to 70% impervious. And, basically, it’s an incentive to attract quality development to the community to allow them the privilege of covering a greater amount of the area with impervious materials in exchange for a well-conceived site plan and a well-thought out zoning process. So there are really two decisions before this council tonight. One is a vote, or decision, on the first, the zoning decision, the Highway Business zoning decision and the second is a decision as to whether or not you wish to allow the developer to develop up to 65% of the property for impervious coverages. So, again, the decision before you this evening is to look at the zoning change, to look at the list of permitted uses that the petitioner has asked you to consider for use on this property and to decide whether or not in the second phase of this development, when it comes back for the final review for site plans, whether or not that site plan will go to the Planning Board only, which is normally the case; or, if in your judgment, you feel like you would want to see site plan, the final development plan, then you have the prerogative to make it a requirement that this board also review that plan. Like I say, ordinarily, for two-phase zoning requests, once the zoning has been decided, which is what the decision is before you this evening, the final development plan or the actual site plan will be submitted first to the planning staff. It would go through an interdepartmental review with the Department of Transportation and Inspections and Erosion Control and all the various entities that ordinarily review site plans; then we would make a recommendation to the Planning Board for Walkertown and then the Walkertown Board would then make the final decision on the site plan. So I know that’s a little bit confusing but if there’s any questions you have of me, I will be glad to clarify that for you. But what we are talking about, again, is two decision (1) to zone the 7.76 acres of land currently zoned Residential to Highway Business-Special Use and the other (2) is a decision whether or not you wish to allow the developer to develop his property up to 65% impervious coverage which would mean 7.2 acres of land that would be taken from the bank, if you will, for the Special Intense Development Allocation (SIDA) for the watershed so that this developer, if this zoning is approved, would have the privilege of developing up to 65% impervious coverage. As I mentioned, this has been to the Planning Board; it has been recommended unanimously in favor of both those matters to the council. I think each of you have a copy of the Planning Staff report. You have a copy of the proposed site plan and you have copy, I presume, of the minutes from the meeting of the Planning Board. Again, the Planning Board recommended in favor of both these items. I’ll be glad to go over any specific questions you all may have. You might note at the end of the staff report, that there is a list of conditions, site plan conditions, that would apply to the project as it would come in for review by the Planning Board. For example, the priority building permits in the second phase of development, the developer would have to get approval from D.O.T. for various roadway improvements and various other things that would be needed to make this site function in accordance with needs of traffic and so forth. There has been a TIS (Traffic Impact Study) that’s been submitted for review by the planning staff and by the Department of Transportation. They have reviewed this. They know what would be needed to make this function in accordance with their needs for traffic flow. One of the good things about this development that many of you may already be familiar with from the previous zoning case is there is an internal of street connections that ties this development in to the multi-family and in to the office and in to the commercial development that has been previously approved. So from that standpoint, we see this as an extension…..about this plan that contribute in some ways to the previously approved development. Without going into more detail at this point, unless the council has questions, I will again just reiterate the planning board’s recommendation which is its unanimous approval of this zoning and of the SIDA request and, again, I will be glad to answer any questions."

Mayor: "I have one questions – I don’t know if it should go to you or to Steve. I have three items that we were voting on. Do we include the………."

Mr. Garland: "…..Just real quickly, Glenn and I had talked about this ahead of time. You can fold the – when the Planning Board approves an S-zoning that has a site plan, they both vote on the zoning and the site plan because they may vote against the zoning but the zoning will still come to you with a recommendation against it. And you would want to know whether or not they thought the site plan met the requirements. So they have a separate vote on the zoning and the site plan. If you don’t have any….as you look at this you agree that you like both the zoning and the site plan, you can roll that into one decision – or you can do it as two. But feel free to roll it into one decision on the zoning and the site plan."

Mr. Simmons: "If I might add to that; I think that brings out the really important distinction as to what the difference is between Special Use zoning and General Use zoning. If this were to be approved, then what the zoning does, is it ties the zoning to this site plan so if this property were sold to somebody else, they would still have to work within the parameters of this site plan. So it really does tie more specifically the zoning to a particular type of development."

Mayor: "Okay. With that said, we will open the Public Hearing at this time."

Public Hearing was opened at 7:47 p.m.

Mr. Warner: "I have a couple, three maybe. Have you included curb and guttering in this project as far as the site plan? I’m not that expert on things as far as the highway and the interior streets."

Mr. Hennigan: "I’ll ask my teammates, Brad and Dick. Typically, we don’t inside the ring-rows and stuff but do we do that here, curb and gutter?"

FROM THE AUDIENCE: BRAD: "WE DO CURB AND GUTTER."

Mr. Warner: "So we’ll have curb and gutter."

Mr. Hennigan: "Yeah."

Mr. Warner: "Then another, you mentioned the apartments. Is there any timetable for that; or any approximate time?"

Mr. Hennigan: "We met with them this afternoon actually and their timetable is --- it’s a pretty big project so they’ve got some various approvals they need to go through. But their final approval is supposed to come in August; the final corporate financing approval in August."

Mr. Warner: "So it is an active project now?"

Mr. Hennigan: "Oh, yes. Yes. They’re designing it and everything. And then they would close on the land, they told us today around December. And then start construction around February or March."

Mr. Warner: "And you said earlier that your long-range plan included, at your expense, a stoplight at the entry that’s on 66 and over on 158 based on the D.O.T.’s approval of that being a proper thing. And I think I asked you earlier, I know now they state that 11,000 daily on the 66-corridor and 15,000 on the 158. Do you have any idea of what they require in the way of traffic count?"

Mr. Hennigan: "Well, what I do know they have about seven different hurdles – for lack of a better word; they call them warrants – and it’s kind of a series of tests. And if you can pass one of those tests, then you can qualify for a traffic signal. That may be based on simply volume on the road, or number of turning movements out (Glenn probably knows this better than I do!) or a number of back-up time at an intersection. There’s several different factors that can qualify you for a signal. What I committed at the Planning Board, as I said that in the event that D.O.T. finds that we’ve met one of those warrants, which we’re hoping to do, that we would pay for the traffic signals – either one or two – in the event we can accomplish that in the next five (5) years. I thought that was a reasonable period of time because it seemed like a decent amount of time to commit to it."

Mr. Warner: "Then the last question is, I notice here you have the Anderson property and you’re only asking for zoning on a portion of that and the rest will be left as RS-20. Do I have this right?"

Mr. Hennigan: "Right. At the planning staff level at the county, and then at the Planning Board, they asked us to leave that property out of this rezoning request, so we did that."

Mr. Warner: "And that will remain RS-20."

Mr. Hennigan: "Yes."

Mayor: "Patrick, you mentioned one or two stoplights, would the other one be on Old Hollow Road at the street that you’re planning on…is that what you’re proposing?"

Mr. Hennigan: "D.O.T.’s long range plan is to have this road function to alleviate traffic at the intersection and when traffic gets to the required level, they would like to see a traffic signal here at 158 and also a traffic signal here on 66 – best case scenario."

Mr. Warner: "One other – as we have on this project here, the SIDA request, will there be an additional SIDA request for the apartments as far as….."

Mr. Hennigan: "No. That was accomplished several years ago."

Mr. Warner: "I see here an area and I’m not that much ----- is there any such thing as provision for a retention pond be required as far ………"

Mr. Hennigan: "Yes. We have to comply with the county’s storm water management plan. For the apartment project, it’ll have it’s own separate retention basin right here. They’re already working on that on their site plans."

Mayor: "That’s covered in Page 7, I guess, in our hand-outs. The developers have storm water management study. I guess that’s what they’re referring to. Okay. That’s all I have signed up to speak in favor of this project. Is there anyone else wishing to speak? Is your heart ready to close this matter? Okay."

Public Hearing was closed at 7:59 p.m.

Ms. Duggins: "I would like to discuss this please. It’s logical that this piece of property that we approve this because as Ms. Weavil said, they are directly involved here whether – and it’s no place for residents. And so it’s logical it’s going business. And it’s logical that Mr. Hennigan would want it into his project. Therefore, I move that we approve Phase I."

???? "Yes."

Mr. Garland: "…..The two intersections at Oak Hollow Road at 66 and – Old Hollow Road, I apologize, Old Hollow Road at the intersections of 158 and 66 – if conditions there meet a D.O.T. warrant within the next five years, that the developer has agreed to pay for the traffic light installation at that point. And that’s in addition to the items set forth on Page 7. It’s also an actual approval of the site plan, in addition to the conditions and uses set forth on it. And then, the only question is, are you….when you made that motion, did you intend to require that the second phase of the site plan just come back to the Planning Board or come back to the council. Again, Glenn had pointed out that the normal procedure would just have it come back to the Planning Board but there is that choice there. I want to be sure that we were clear as to what the approval approved."

Ms. Duggins: "Let me clarify to add that it should come back to the Planning Board and not the council, since we are pre-approving."

Mr. Garland: "And, then, Councilman Warner, I guess, since you seconded it, was that your understanding then?"

Mr. Warner: "Right. I agree."

Mayor: "Did everyone make the change on the traffic light within the five years, is that correct? Is that part of the motion, Ms. Duggins?"

Ms. Duggins: "I think we’re very lucky that Mr. Hennigan is willing to pay for these and going to take five years to do this – in giving this amount of time. We do appreciate that."

Mr. Warner: "Let me ask now. Does that limit the commitment to five years?"

Mr. Hennigan: "I think so, Horace, because it seems like a reasonable amount of time. I don’t want to be on the hook, say, forever. So it seems like five years is reasonable."

Ms. Duggins: "I heard the figure is 40,000 per light, is that right?"

Mr. Hennigan: "Yeah. Forty or so."

Mr. Warner: "Don’t worry about it, I won’t be here."

Mayor: "Okay. Is there any more discussion before we vote on this? And I’m also assuming, Steve, we’re grouping, and, Ms. Duggins, you can correct me if I’m wrong on your motion, since you made the motion…..this is grouping Items #1 and #2 on our list. Is that correct?"

Mr. Garland: "Yeah. One of the items I mentioned was the approval of the site plan itself."

Mayor: "So this is approving the zoning and the site plan together as one item. Is everybody clear on that? All right, if you’re ready to vote, if there’s no further questions……All in favor of approving the zoning and the site plan:

Mayor: "The next item is, as Mr. Simmons mentioned to us in his presentation, the SIDA allocation. This is a Special Intense Development Allocation of 7.2051 acres of SIDA – that means we are allowing, of our 50-some acres, we would be allowing 7-acres – we have 50-some odd acres for the Town of Walkertown so we’d be allowing 7-acres here.

Mr. Warner: "So once you’ve confirmed that there has been an allocation to Morris Chapel, we know we’ll have this forty-whatever’s left after – 52.7. Now, in addition to that, we also, when the it was under county authority, made some SIDA allocations that should have been approved by the Forsyth County Commissioners, which would have been deducted from our total. I do not know whether that was ever approved by the County Commissioners or not."

Ms. Duggins: "The County Commissioners had already given the Town of Walkertown jurisdiction over making that decision. A Planning Board had been named and they were in classes to get acquainted with the procedures. But in the meantime, the council was acting as the planning board."

Mr. Warner: "Right. Neither the council nor the planning board had the authority over the County Commissioners at that time……."

Ms. Duggins: "Yes! We did! ……. The County Commissioners…….. had already abdicated to us………"

Mr. Warner: "………That was not given……….the zoning………All right; the zoning was transferred to this council on January 1, 2003. The planning board was not transferred until January 1, 2004. And, of course, that SIDA allocation ……… went from us as a recommendation to the County Commissioners."

Ms. Duggins: "………I think if you’ll go back, Horace, and look ……….. you’ll see that it was granted to us prior to this."

Mr. Warner: "What was granted to us?"

Ms. Duggins: "Allowing the council to make the decisions versus the County Commissioners….."

Mr. Warner: "…On zoning….?"

Ms. Duggins: "…Before the Planning Board…."

Mr. Warner: "…Or SIDA?"

Mr. Larrimore: "They’re doing work down there…."

Ms. Duggins: "…Glenn, shed some light on that, clarify that …………"

Mr. Simmons: "Basically, the decision on zoning rested with the County Commissioners until you all took over your zoning authority. However, the decision to allocate SIDA rested with this board….."

Ms. Duggins: "…...With the Council……."

Mr. Simmons: "……Separate from the Commissioners’ decisions on zoning. So, basically, when the Commissioners approved the zoning on your recommendation, approval, took the SIDA out of your allocation, they made the decision on the zoning – you made the decision on the SIDA allocation….."

Mr. Warner: "So that has been deducted?"

Mayor: "And you’ll confirm the other with Mr. Linville?"

Mr. Simmons: "Yes."

Mayor: "We have a motion and a second on the floor. Is there any further discussion on the SIDA allocation, allowing up to 65% or 7.2051 acres?"

Mr. Linville: "March 9^th, at our next regular scheduled council meeting, NC Department of Transportation will meet here at 6:00 before that meeting to talk about the Main Street widening project. They’ll pick up with the 3-lane curb and gutter from the edge of the library to Harley Drive and all the homeowners will be invited that will be affected by it – the school, the church. And then, anyone who wants to come here that, just come early and you can look at the plans and talk to the engineers and see what’s going on. So that’ll be March 9^th."

Mayor: "And please note – it is 6:00 is when the D.O.T. will be here with the maps available so people can look at them. That’ll be before the meeting – 6:00. This is information only – this is nothing other than information. And it’s imminent – it’s going to happen. I asked him if he’d rather come the first meeting or the one on March 23^rd. He said ‘we’ll be moving dirt by the 23^rd. We’d better come the first!’ So it is about to happen. This is the widening of Main Street to three lanes just like it is in front of the library here. They’ll go around to New Street and then feather in to Harley Drive, starting about New Street and it’ll feather in to Harley Drive to a 2-lane at that point."

Mr. Linville: "The school committee that we had talked about last time; we’ve got a few names. I was contacted by the Leuns’, who live on Klondike Drive. They would also like to be on that board, group."

Ms. Duggins: "Spell that name."

Mr. Linville: "L-e-u-n. That’s Christine and Robert Leun. But I talked to different folks and anyone who wants to be a part of that school committee – we’ll make that appointment on March 9^th as well. We said at the last meeting we would appoint those folks then."

Ms. Duggins: "That’s for the school committee?"

Mr. Linville: "Yes."

Mayor: "We have several volunteers already, I think."

Mr. Linville: "You need to change that title from ‘volunteers’ to ‘appointees’ the way you volunteer folks!"

Mayor: "They raised their hand, man, what can you do???? Or maybe they just smiled…

….I don’t know!"

Mr. Linville: "Thursday night here from 6 until 8, the developers, George Sowers, Kevin Davie, who’s the engineer will discuss the Cude property. They’ve sent letters to all the adjoining property owners and that’s open to anyone that wants to come by and look at that site plan and get a feel for what they’re proposing."

Ms. Duggins: "That’s March 8^th?"

Mayor: "No – that’s this Thursday night. That’ll be Thursday night, from 6 to 8. That’s actually 02-26. So, everybody, if you got an agenda, that’s 02-26 – this week."

Mr. Linville: "While we were meeting in Greensboro and had some time together, we were talking about a good way for us to get together and set the agenda because until now, I think calling everyone and it takes an afternoon and if I get to the 5^th person and they want to make a change and I have to call everyone again. So we talked about just an hour together the week before each meeting. At the time we had talked about Monday afternoon around 4:00 but the Planning Board has a work session on the first Monday at that time, or the second Monday, rather, which would be the agenda setting for our fourth meeting. So Doc and I talked about maybe Tuesday morning about 9:30. Will that conflict with anyone’s schedule?"

Ms. Welch: "Yep."

Mayor: "It does?"

Ms. Welch: "But I can arrange it."

Mayor: "Then what would suit you better then? Later Tuesday? 10:00 … 10:30???"

Ms. Welch: "Well, after 12. I bowl on Tuesdays. That’s my recreation."

Mayor: "What about Tuesday at 1:00?"

Ms. Welch: "That’s fine."

Mayor: "How about you, Mr. Warner? Wallace? Ms. Duggins?"

Mr. Warner: "That’s fine."

Mr. Larrimore: "Fine."

Ms. Duggins: "Fine."

Mr. Warner: "May I suggest that anyone that has a conflict and cannot attend at that time communicate to the manager so that he will know that you’re in agreement or if you have anything specific. That way it won’t hold up anybody."

Mayor: "So it’s Tuesdays at 1:00 p.m."

Mr. Linville: "That will be the first Tuesday and the third Tuesday of each month."

Mayor: "And if we see that 1:00 p.m. don’t allow for enough lunchtime, we’ll have to move it back. See how slow Pulliams are that day."

Mr. Linville: "William Durham, the librarian here – well, let me back up. The library is open at nights on Mondays, Tuesdays, and Wednesdays. Thursdays and Fridays, they close at 6:00. We’ve pretty much got Tuesdays tied up and we’re sort of limiting how the community gets to use the library. He’d asked if we could change our meeting dates. He said he would happily give us a key on Thursdays and the library would be closed – it would be ours to use and he said we could really stretch out until the end of the year but if there was a date that would work better, and I said, July’s months away and that’s a budget time for us. If the community was in agreement to change these dates, it would certainly work better for the total use of the building. So Doc and I said we’d open it up and kick it around and see what folks thought about it."

Mayor: "Just want to throw that out for information at this time. Mr. Durham is working well with us. He said he’s not even threatening to kick us out; if we decide not to change, he’ll make the change. He’ll work around us. But it would be so much nicer if he had this availability to be able to use this space on Tuesday nights when the library was open. That would mean us moving our meetings to Thursday nights as opposed to Tuesday nights. I don’t know if that would conflict ……"

Ms. Welch: "…..Thursday night’s a better night for me either. It’s better."

Mayor: "This is just information at this point. We just wanted everybody to be aware of it; what we were thinking; and what the library was thinking. It’s nothing in the works at this point. Just be seeing what areas of conflict that you would have with your schedules. So many times in the communities, clubs and different organizations meet on a particular night so we know that Monday nights are out, Wednesday nights are out so it’s pretty much – and nobody’s going to meet on Friday nights. You wouldn’t be here on Friday nights."

Ms. Welch: "No. Not really – not unless we had some emergency…"

Mayor: "So it’s either Tuesday or Thursday and he just asked us to consider it, if we would. So ----"

Mr. Larrimore: "That points up to why we need our own building."

Mayor: "That’s true. But this is just for information. Nothing being changed, no dates being set at this time. If you will, everyone be paying attention to the website. We continue to try to put some information on. The pictures were being restored; they were removed. Did we ever figure out why, Ms. McKinnie?"

Lynn: "Not yet."

Mr. Linville: "Some sort of technical glitch."

Mayor: "I’ll talk to Ron C. next chance I get – see if he’s going to put them back or what --- He had pictures of several buildings in the town just to show a little bit of what the town looked like from the exterior. He had several buildings on the website of the pictures of them and they were removed about a month ago. Maybe he’ll be putting them back. It looks like a blank space at the present, if you went on the website and looked at it. It’s a big help. I hope you’ll continue to use it. Our hits have more than doubled in the last month. So a lot of good information – the agenda items are always on there. The minutes will be on there whenever they get put up later in the week – don’t look for them tomorrow!"

Mr. Linville: "One more thing. There are some blank land use applications on the back table and if folks picked them up, if they didn’t get one, they want one, please let us know. We will stop taking those applications at the next meeting and at that meeting on March 9^th, we need to determine what that membership is going to be for that committee if we’re going to just take all the applications. We need to look at the land use maps. The council needs to come by and start looking through those applications. We have 11."

Mayor: "All right. Councilmembers, did ya’ll hear? Go by and look over the applications so you can formulate an opinion on those. Or anyone wanting to complete one, there’s some more at the back."

Mr. Warner: "Did I understand then, on the 9^th, we’re going to say what we’re – how we’re going to ………… select a ………nominating committee, etc…..?"

Mr. Linville: "……….I think……….we should create the membership………….not make the final appointments until the 23^rd……."

Mr. Warner: "……..Won’t we decide……….how we’re going to do it?"

Mr. Linville: "……..Right………"

Mr. Warner: "……..And then we can be prepared on the 23^rd so we won’t have to have a special meeting. Right."

Ms. Duggins: "D.O.T. will have certain restrictions and requests on what those streets --- They will be widened and different things to take care of the traffic….. And the ….. traffic lights will … also help…."

Mr. Whitaker: "…….I don’t know what D.O.T. can do………..traffic lights because………I look out my door and I see traffic backed up both ways by my house."

Ms. Welch: "You’re right."

Mr. Whitaker: "……I mean standing still…………"

Ms. Duggins: "……That’s in every town, in every community all over the United States – at mornings and evenings."